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he called the house health care bill mean. >> that was my term because i want to see -- i speak from the heart. that's what i want to see, i want to see a bill with heart. >> the president contradicting house speaker paul ryan. >> i think that was a misinterpretation of a private meeting. >> a major point of contention, 11 million americans insured under bake's medicaid expansion which faces deep cuts under the senate bill despite the president's promise not to cut the program. >> save medicare, medicaid and social security without cuts. >> over a ten-year period, medicaid funding will be significantly curtailed and not accompanied with the kind of flexibility we need. >> kellyanne conway insisting otherwise. >> this is not cuts to medicaid. it slows the rate for the future
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and allows more flexibility with medicaid dollars. >> i respectfully disagree with her analysis. i'm very concerned about the cost of insurance for older people with serious chronic illnesses. >> it's a race against the clock with congress going on recess this friday. will they vote before then? >> i would like to delay the thing. there's no way we should be voting on this next week. no way. >> reporter: the health care effort was a big part of a conversation over the weekend, a very important retreat that was hosted, sponsored by the conservative mega donors, the koch brothers and their political network. the leaders of that network very critical of this legislation saying both the house and senate versions do not meet their goals, brianna. >> suzanne malveaux, with criticism all around on capitol hill, president trump is lashing out against president obama for, quote, doing nothing to stop russia's interference in the 2016 election. he's blasting his former rival, too. cnn's joe johns live at the
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white house with the latest. >> reporter: good morning, brianna. president trump in an interview as well as in tweets, the very same person raising doubts about russia meddling in the election, now raising questions about president obama's response to it and accusing him of doing nothing about it. the the president just issued tweets suggesting among other things that the democratic national committee engaged in a big dim hoax by declining protection from hacking from the department of homeland security. >> i just heard today for the first time that obama knew about russia a long time before the election and he did nothing about it, but nobody wants to talk about that. the question is, if he had the information, why didn't he do something about it. >> now, this is very much a revised take on an election
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where candidate trump seemed to be encouraging russia at one point, going as far as to get the call in that country to find thousands of deleted hillary clinton e-mails. it comes also after a report in "the washington post" suggesting that president obama struggled to come up with the right response to the russian meddling in the last election, especially given the fact he was concerned about being perceived as trying to tip the election in hillary clinton's favor. today we do expect to see the president here at the white house in a meeting with the indian prime minister. >> lots to discuss. let's bring in analyst ron brownstein and michael shear and senior policy correspondent from fox media sarah kliff. ron brownstein, do you think there's a vote, do you think they can pass it as soon as this
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or next week? >> you never make money betting against mitch mcconnell. this is very difficult because i think they're pullishing to the absolute maximum the two coalitions. on one hand you have a bill with a trillion dollars in tax cuts, 60% of which goes to the top 10%, the high earners who are the core of their financial coalition. on the other hand, you have a republican voter base that is increasingly centered on blue collar and older whites. if you look at the interactive map that the keiser family foundation has put up about what this will do to premiums in some of the blue collar counties around the country, you're talking about premiums doubling for 6 o-year-olds at modest income. that's before you can get to the cuts.
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and also states struggling with the opioid epidemic, they are pushing to the max and it's unclear to me whether they can get there -- i talked to a democratic senator last night who said you would never bet against mitch mcconnell, but they have the problem with the boat leaking at both ends. the conservatives saying it doesn't go far enough. the moderates saying it goes too far. >> sarah, that's why the cold hard numbers are so difficult to see. we're waiting to see if the congressional budget office releases its math today. what effect is that going to have on the perception of this bill by republicans who have their concerns? >> so i think the cbo report which we could see as soon as this afternoon, it will show millions losing coveragement we don't know if it will be as many as the house. but we are certainly talking about a situation where millions fewer people have coverage that under current law, under the affordable care act staying intact. i think for the more moderate
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senators, they'll have to make decisions about how much coverage loss are they okay with. this is a question snars get a lot. they don't want to give you a number saying i would be okay with x number of people losing coverage. that's a decision that will face senators this week as they think about their vote. >> time to do an important part of our job because the health and human services secretary did just that, sarah. he did put a number on it. he said no one will lose coverage and that premiums won't increase. and kellyanne conway went a step further. here is what she said. >> these are not cuts to medicaid, george. this slows the rate for the future and allows governors more flexibility with medicaid dollars because they're closest to the people in need. if you're currently in medicaid, became a medicaid recipient through the obamacare expansion, you're grandfathered in. we're talking about the future.
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>> michael shear, what do you make of all that? >> that's an interesting comment by kellyanne conway. it shows that it's plain that the comments this white house wants to make are inconsistent with the actual bill itself. it shows how difficult it is for this white house to navigate the kinds of things sarah and ron were talking about. this is a difficult, complicated piece of legislation. when you're out there making promises that ultimately aren't going to be kept because it's impossible to see that people, some number of people won't lose coverage. if it were to pass in the future, those kinds of comments can come back to the white house in the form of political anger from constituencies that have been led to believe one thing and now find themselves in a different situation. >> let's turn to russia now because this is something that
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donald trump is now acknowledging, that there was this meddling in the election, ron, but when he finally acknowledges that there was russian meddling, he is blaming president obama, blaming the obama administration, talking to democrats. there is criticism of the obama administration on this, but is this where the focus should be? >> this is just head spinning. first of all, for the president po say that he just learned that president obama knew about this -- the intelligence committee pout out a joint statement pointing to russian meddling in the election and the intrusion into the podesta and dnc e-mails. >> and a definitive report in january, we should say as well, a long definitive intelligence report. >> he's been getting briefings for months and months about this. it's not new, you're right, ron. >> you can say president obama should have done more. certainly many people on both sides of the aisle, kind of
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looking back would say that. to say they did nothing is not exactly right either. all the reporting is he talked directly to president putin at the apec meeting. they were focused primarily on the question of interference in the election tally, the voter registration and those kinds of questions. that seemed to be their principle focus. let's not forget all this reporting also shows that at the critical moment in september of 2016 when they went to the congress and were looking for a bipartisan kind of commitment to have a robust response, the senate majority lead ever, mitch mcconnell basically threw cold water on it and said he was not convinced by the underlying evidence. the idea that obama was feckless alone i think is revisionist history of the highest order. >> certainly going to be blame to go around. sarah, you have do cut this against the urgency the democrats have right now. it is a good political salvo to
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look back and say, the democrats are so into it right now, obama didn't seem that into it then. however, trump is the president now. president donald trump. he has to own this, doesn't he? the spin is we're not going to tell you what we're going to do about it because that would make it less effective. >> i think it speaks to how polarized the media is right now and how it's very easy to get whatever side of the story you're interested in believing. you see president trump take advantage of the fact he could be talking about one narrative, democrats could be talking about a different one. there will be a lot of them that will tune into the side they're interested in. it's easy to confirm a story line you want to confirm. i think that's something folks on both sides of the aisle, democrats and republicans, they really struggle with how do we get this message across to people who aren't typically tuning in to our interviews and
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floor speeches. >> what do you think, michael, about this tweet we've seen from president trump where he's accusing hillary clinton of colluding with the dnc. i think some people say the dnc definitely had a preference here, even if there was collusion, let's say, he's putting this up against the concept of collusion as we've heard people use it to raise concerns about what we heard with the trump campaign and associates. >> two interesting things about the last 24 hours of tweets. one is the very sophisticated way he uses the word collusion. it's not an accidental word. he's trying to do a kind of equivalency with the kinds of collusion that people are investigating in the russia case, and as sarah said, it mixes up the narratives. i think also the other thing to think about on his tweets on russia in the last day or so, is
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that it shows what we've always known about his tweets, which is that he renaktsz tacts in the m something he's read, something he's seen on cnn. there's no attempt to be consistent. he'll say whatever is his gut reaction and he thinks the proper thing in the moment. when "the washington post" runs its story, he says, wow, wow, i just found out about that when, in fact, as ron said, it's impossible to believe he just found out about it but when he wrote the tweet, that will make for the good political hit at that moment. that's the way he uses twitter. it's very much in the moment. >> ron, we do know the president watches the show. we'll give him a little free brownstein advice. any of the stuff going on now, does it help with his most formidable re-election challenge which is growing his base. he can blame obama all he wants. it certainly resonates with the base, but does it help him grow?
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>> look, i think the health care thing actually raises the question of whether you are eroding the base. historically republicans have held together a coalition that aims its economic policy primarily at people at the top, has cultural and racial policy for lower, middle income and poorer whites. it so starkly divides the costs and benefits of the legislation. one of the things that made president trump a different kind of republican to use the old phrase that bill clinton used, a different kind of democrat, was he promised he would protect social security and medicare and medicaid. this is something that is much closer to what paul ryan and mitch mcconnell and many of the conservatives in the congress have wanted to do. by the way, one quick final point, the argument from kellyanne conway this is not a cut, it's restraining future growth, that was the argument of gingrich in 1994 and 1995 when they shut down the government.
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they didn't win it then. there will be millions who lose access to medicaid. whatever you call it, it is a radical retrenchment of the program that goes beyond undoing what the affordable care act act did to change medicaid in a way that would make it a much smaller role in the provision of health care. >> very important point. ron brownstein, sarah and michael, thank you. senate democrats are saying the senate gop health care bill is a killer, but what can they do to stop it if they want to? we'll ask senator tammy baldwin next. gnosed myself. it's like a war we're trying to fight against these diseases. resilience is in my dna. i won't die like my mom. it's a big challenge, but the challenge in it of itself is really what keeps me going. i could really make a difference in these people's lives. that would be my dream.
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comes to numbers, are the democrats relegated to sitting and watching? >> first of all, health care is deeply personal. for me i was a child who had a very serious illness and was labeled as a kid with a pre-existing condition. my grandparents who raised me couldn't find insurance at any price for a large part of my youth. i know my story is replicated by thousands upon thousands of wisconsinites and millions of americans. it is deeply personal and part of what we have been doing in exposing lat the house pass and what was revealed in the senate is engaging the voice of the american people. that's the only thing. what can the democrats do in the minority in the house and the senate, we don't have the presidency. it is engage the american people in speaking out about this. boy, we can tell our colleagues are hearing. >> on the republican side?
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>> on both sides. but certainly what's key right now, since they've used these extraordinary procedures so they only have to pass it with 51 votes in the senate rather than the usual 60 votes, that's what's so critical. we've had a number of republican senator expressing serious miss gave vings over the weekend. i applaud them. we've got to -- we've not only got to take on this fight with everything we have, we've got to win. >> you think you can forestall a vote or do you think there will be a vote before the recess? >> i don't know what mitch mcconnell's plans are going to be. delay doesn't make this bill any better. we'll hear from the cbo the difference between the house and senate. but the house bill predicts 23 million americans will lose their health insurance in the next decade. and then the medicaid cuts which are worse in the senate bill than they are in the house in
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their cumulative effect, it impacts rural health, impacts people who have loved ones in nursing homes and the weakening of protections for people with pre-existing conditions is devastating to a huge swath of the american people. >> so respond to what we're hearing from the other side. you have the health and human services secretary, tom price, who says premiums aren't going to go down on the whole and no one is going to lose coverage. kellyanne conway said this. >> these are not cuts to medicaid, george. this slows the rate for the future and allows governors more flexibility with medicaid dollars because they're closest to the people in need. if you are currently in head kad, became a medicaid recipient through the obamacare expansion, you are grandfathered in. we're talking about in the future. >> are you grandfathered in? is this just reducing the rate of growth in medicaid?
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>> it's about affordability. if they change the formula, as they're proposing to do in the senate bill, and you can't keep up, then it means insurance and health care is unaffordable to you. our goal ought to be on a bipartisan basis to make health insurance more affordable to more americans. what the senate bill and the house bill does is go exactly in the opposite direction. and as some of your previous guests have noted, transfers resources from low and middle income people who are being helped pay for the premiums to the ultra rich who are getting tax breaks of enormous proportions. >> i understand the arguments democrats are making. i have a question, maybe tactical more than substantive. you know the main driver here, no matter what we're hearing in terms of policy is the republicans promised a repeal of the aca. everybody knows the aca has a
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lot of individual marketplace issues that need to be addressed. some are because states didn't accept the expansion. there are a lot of different reasons, but you have problems. they're going to repeal it if there's any way that can. that's the promise they have to make good on. i don't hear democrats approaching that reality. saying let's see something that we can make happen. it they have the votes. it's a question of what it takes to get them. i don't hear democrats engaging on the level of trying to negotiate some type of fix. >> i talk about this all the time. what we need to do is fix the affordable care act, not scrap it. they would have willing partners the day they would stop the partisan nonsense of trying to repeal something nicknamed after the former president and start working to advance affordable
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health care for the american people. >> couldn't you repeal the current pricing models in some of the individual markets and some of the certain conditions that these providers have to meet, repeal them and with something that works better. wouldn't that make both sides happy? >> two things. one is the disruptions right now being reported are really of trump's making, his threatening to withhold the cost sharing responsibility payments is enormously disruptive. frankly, what could be more disruptive than saying we're going to repeal the whole health care law? that said, keeping costs down is something we can work together on. one of the big burdens that many deal with right now is the high cost of prescription drugs. i've teamed up with john mccain to introduce a measure that would add accountability and transparency to this market so
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we can rein in these prices. they have got to renounce this partisan nonsense to repeal, and let's work to fix what's wrong. >> that's a big but given the current climate and the weight of that promise to repeal. senator, thank you very much, tammy baldwin, always good to have you. >> thank you. gop leaders are scrambling to win over wavering republicans not sold on the senate health care bill. how will the cbo score set to come out sway senators. we'll discuss that next. at crowne plaza we know business travel isn't just business. there's this. 'a bit of this. why not? your hotel should make it easy to do all the things you do. which is what we do. crowne plaza. we're all business, mostly.
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it's hard for me to see the bill passiin passing this week. >> i don't have feedback from constituencies who have not had enough time to review the nat bill. we should not be voting on this next week. >> with growing opposition from senate republicans to the party's health care bill and even the speed of it, gop leaders are facing a daunting challenge to get this passed with a vote this week. many lawmakers also waiting for
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the congressional budget office assessment of the bill which could come as early as today. i want to discuss this with republican congressman lee zeldin of new york, sir. thank you for being with us. i first want to ask you about this issue of medicaid and whether the senate bill which i understand you do support. you, of course, supported the house bill. i want to listen to something that kellyanne conway, a top advisor to president trump said about medicaid cuts in this bill. >> these are not cuts to medicaid, george. this slows the rate for the future and allows governors more flexibility with medicaid dollars because they're closest to the people in need. if you're currently in medicaid, if you became a medicaid recipient through the obamacare expansion, you're grandfathered in. we're talking about the future. >> congressman, in the house bill there was a grandfather clause. it's not in the senate bill. a lot of analyses showing it's
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not happening the way kellyanne is talking about. do you acknowledge it's a reality of both of these bills that there are medicaid cuts? >> well, kellyanne is correct that the impact on medicaid is not a cut. it's swloeing down the rate of growth to bring costs under control. as you point out in the house bill, for anyone who is currently enrolled in medicaid or en rolls in medicaid by 2020, they will be the -- the federal government continues to pay that 90% enhanced federal match into perpetuity as long as that person continues to stay in medicaid. >> with a lot of people don't -- you know that, congressman. because of churn, a lot of people would not have continuous coverage. they'd get bumped out. you have several states that have triggers where if the match goes down, they don't have to provide that and people lose their medicaid.
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>> it actually wouldn't make sense to have everyone covered under the same fmap, the same formula. the normal match which was 50%. if you have a state where the normal fmap is 50% for those on the lower end of medicaid by, the best way for the state to save money for the state is to actually reduce medicaid costs on the more vulnerable and not the less vulnerable. it would make sense for everyone to be on that same funding formula. it doesn't go to zero. >> it seems like by your definition there, the people on the higher end of medicaid lose their coverage. >> no, not at all. >> they are covered with the normal fmap of 50% as opposed to 90. they're not going -- the federal government doesn't go from 90 to zero as far as the expansion population. they go from 90 to 50 which is the normal fmap under medicaid. medicaid was created to take care of those who are most
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inneed all three out our country. what we're seeing right now in states, when en they try to save money, look at maine, wisconsin as well. when maine tried to save money in medicaid, they saw the cuts -- they would save more money if they targeted the lower end of the medicaid population because that's where they have to come up with 50% of the cost as opposed to the higher end that's at 90. we're getting into the weeds. >> it's important, it is. you're talking about over time the medicaid is reduced. a lot of people analyzing this who know what they're talking about are saying that is going to be medicaid cuts for many people. i want to look at the house bill. the house bill and what it does -- i know you support both bills. obviously there are some important changes, but you're looking at -- it says 23 million people losing their coverage over ten years. the deficit is reduced by about $120 billion, but premiums are
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going up by 20% here next year, 5% in 2019, decrease after 2020. how do you tell voters when you're looking at millions of people losing coverage that republicans have made this plan better? >> a couple of things. first off, that cbo is only scoring this one bail because in budget reconciliation, there are things you can't do that requires 60 votes in the entire senate. allowing policies to be sold across state lines, reducing cost of prescription drugs, malpractice reform, giving additional medicaid flexibilities to governors, that's all part of the plan the cbo doesn't score. going into the weeds as farr as what cbo is scoring with this one bill, over the course of the next few years, the people who are -- they say are losing
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health insurance say it's primarily because they're limiting the individual mandate, no longer forcing someone to buy a policy that they don't want. that's what the cbo, that's the prime reason over the course of the next few years. >> you're saying everyone who wants to have health insurance is going to be able to have access to it the way they have under obamacare? >> over the course of ten years -- over the course of the first few years, the primary reason, not the entire reason, because you can't guarantee for over 300 million people that every single person is going to be covered to the standard that they want, because what happens is in states where you have -- one-third of the counties in our country including several entire states have one option left under their exchange. a state like iowa, in 2018, they have no insureer left in their exchange at all. in those states they're trying to repair their individual market. that's going to include some changes where the state is going
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to be requesting flexibility from the federal government with regards to essential health benefits. we'll see what the final bill looks like regarding community rating. >> to get out of the weeds a little bit. you just said everyone will not necessarily be covered to the standard that they want. i mean that is something that resonates with a lot of people. when you look at the numbers on this plan, it's something that disproportionately affects blue collar areas, the elderly, some reliable republican voters. are you concerned those voters are going to say this doesn't benefit me, this isn't the coverage at the level i wanted or i don't have coverage and they're going to send a message to you and other republicans? >> actually, the people who are most impacted are in states where they have one or even zero options that are left or going to be left under the individual market. so that's not choice, that's monopoly when you only have one
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option left. when you have no options, you can have this gold standard of health insurance care that you aspire to, but when you literally have no insurer left, like iowa won't have any left, one-third of all counties only have one left right now. for those republican voters, democratic voters, anyone in between, as your options become even fewer and you get even more desperate, everyone is starting to understand -- obamacare when it was first passed, it was a philosophical debate of how it would impact someone in the future. now people are seeing how it's impacting them right now. so when you have coverage but your deductible is so high you can't afford it, it doesn't feel like you have health insurance coverage at all. if you sant afford your policy, don't have access to it, what you need is for those states to have more flexibility so they can repair the individual market and have options again. >> well, this is an ongoing
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debate, congressman zeldin that we're going to keep having as we await these all important numbers. congressman lee zeldin, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> chris? >> one of the world's best young golfers holes an amazing shot for a play-off victory. keilar is a golfer. could she make this shot? and why she argues yes. ooh, the bump. i like it. >> i couldn't do that. i'll tell you that. >> a terrifying flight you have to see to believe. wait until you hear what the pilot asked passengers to do twice. we have that next. it's not just a car, (work sfx) it's your daily retreat. the es and es hybrid. lease the 2017 es 350 for $329 a month for 36 months. experience amazing at your lexus dealer.
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authorities in pakistan are investigating what caused a fuel tanker to explode killing at least 153 people. hundreds of villagers rushed to the overturned tanker sunday to collect spilled fuel. some were smoking cigarettes while they did it. others were using their cell phones. you have to worry about static electricity when you do that around something flammable. officials speculate that a spark from either or the truck's battery could have triggered another deadly blast. a north carolina teenager located, 17-year-old haley burns found at a home in georgia.
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agents took michake a nan into custody. last year after she vanished, her parents found a diary detailing a plan to run away with a man she met online. thousands took place in lgbt pride mrs. 12 people got arrested. this year's pride celebrations mark the two-year anniversary of the supreme court legalizing same-sex marriage. investigators are trying to figure out why an international flight shook so violently for two hours, ha the pilot asked passengers to pray twice. "early start" anchor dave briggs has more on this terrifying flight. >> frightening moments aboard an airasia x flight, violently shaking mid flight over the
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indian ocean. the airbus a-330 heading to malasia was forced to return to australia after engine trouble. about 90 minutes later, passengers say they heard a loud bang. >> the passenger said one of the blades on the left engine was missing. >> the flight shuttered for nearly two hours, many saying it felt like being inside a washing machine. >> the plane was really, really, shauterring, shuttering, shuttering. >> reporter: the pilot telling passengers he was scared and asking them twice to pray. >> listen to everyone. our shooifl depends on your cooperating. >> reporter: some putting on a brave face, others fearing the worst. >> lots of people crying, pulling out lifejackets, pretty much preparing.
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we thought there was a good chance we would go down. >> reporter: marine emergency services standing by for a water rescue. passengers breathing a sigh of relief once the plane touched down safely before waiting hours for another flight. the low-cost airline is investigating what happened, calling the incident a technical issue, adding the safety of our guests is our utmost priority. >> dave briggs there. our survival depends on your cooperation. >> he asked them to pray twice. we are going to be listening to what that carrier says this was about and how they fixed it. thank god they made it down okay. ready for a little sport? >> i'm ready. >> jordan spieth joining tiger woods as the only two golfers to win ten tournaments before their 24th birthday. the way he did it, amazing. andy scholes joins us with the bleacher report. this is so good, we have to bring you to new york. >> absolutely, guys. to make this shot on any hole would have been impressive.
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but to do it on a play-off hole to win a tournament, just incredible. i tell you what, spieth, he was in trouble, in the bunker on the first play-off hole with daniel berger at the travelers championship. he comes through with possibly the shot of his career, holing out to win the tournament. like a walk-off home run in baseball. spieth chest-bumping the caddie right there. he said afterwards the whole moment was surreal. >> he was screaming, and it made me want to scream louder. he jumped. fortunately we didn't high five jump, we both went for the little side bump. it was cool. the ground shaking it was so loud. >> ice cube's big three league tipping off yesterday in brooklyn. i was there taking it in. i have to say, big entertaining. three on three, half-court, there are two, three and four-point shots. the two teams play the first to 60 points which leads to
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fantastic finishers. i asked alan iverson, how big do they they three on three basketball can get? >> it can be meta. if what i saw out there is any indication, it can be great. i'm definitely looking forward. i'm definitely looking forward to this for years to come. i think it's only going to get better. >> this is a great game. this is showing fans that this is a sport that people will like and i'm glad my team was the first one to win it. >> we'll see three on three basketball at the summer olympics in 2020. there are a lot of nba stars in the crowd yesterday. the league is holding their first annual awards ceremony tonight. you can watch it on our sister station tnt at 9:00 tonight. >> what do you think about three on three? >> i i this it's cool. we play three on three basketball more than we've played foul court or
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the longest-lasting vehicle in its class. more than a car, it's a subaru. president trump putting a little spin move on the whole russia interference issue. he says, yeah, it happened but do you know whose fault is really is? the obama administration. is that fair? and what has the trump administration, now in power, obviously, done about taking the issue on? let's discuss. cnn political commentators jen psaki and scott jennings. thanks to you both on this monday morning. jen psaki, the president says, yes, it happened. but if it's so urgent, if it's such a big deal for these democrats, where is the criticism for the obama administration that did nothing? fair point? >> it's simply not born out by the facts, chris.
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last summer when the president was made aware of these attacks by russia, he asked his intelligence community to double down and put every resource toward figuring out what happened. and they put out an unprecedented statement in early october of last year. that was before president trump was elected. now, we were treating it as a cyber attack at the time. we didn't factor in as much as we probably should have the impact of propaganda. we still don't know enough about that. so, that's an area, i think, there could be a redoubling of efforts by congress, by the trump administration. but the fact is there was a lot done at the time. president obama asked the intelligence community to do a lot and there's more that should be done at this point, though. >> pushback, there wasn't a lot done, jen psaki, during this time. i heard jeh johnson say, hey, we came out with a statement but that "access hollywood" tape took all the attention. given the urgency from democrats now, isn't it a fair point for the obama administration to say
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for whatever their reasons, they did not carry the ball all the way that the democrats seem to be saying it needed to be carried now. fair point? >> it was treated like a cyber attack and our focus was what the russians were intending to do to our electoral systems. we focused working on state and local governments to better prepare systeming and jeh johnson did talk about that quite a bit last week. the piece i was trying to touch on was the propaganda impact is still something we don't know a lot about. >> i got you. >> if you're looking at europe, they're doing a lot to address this that's something we should be doing here. in hindsight, that's something we should have thought more about at the time. we followed the book. obviously, the book, perhaps, should be thrown out. this was an unprecedented attack. it changes how we should approach things moving forward. >> when you follow a book that maybe should be thrown out, you'll get criticism. scott jengs, little bit of con
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text for the criticism. what do you mean you just found snout it's almost months. it's almost impossible to accept that premise, that the president just learned about this. do you buy that? and what's your response? >> i think he's now referring to the definitive reporting in "the washington post" that the obama administration did know and did nothing. you don't have to take donald trump's criticism as the final word on it. the obama official quote bid "the washington post" had to say, we choked. house intelligence co-chair adam schiff said it was a huge mistake. democrats are saying today that the obama administration failed and now it is incumbent on the trump white house to get this right. the russians only respect displays of power. they need to push back heavily.
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we may not know publicly what's going on behind the scenes as far as a cyber war or covert action but have to show a show of force against the russians or they'll keep doing this. >> one comment that needs to be out there. the irony that not just you as a surrogate but we're hearing from the president of the united states from "the washington post" as fake news when it tonight suit him. and it's an anonymous source but it's okay now. remember that irony next time. jen psaki, are they meeting that standard? >> the statement was put out by the intelligence community almost nine months ago. as you referenced, president trump and his team had access to a number of briefings. what we don't know now is what his involvement s what we can conclude is it's not much. at a minimum, he should be engaging with the national security team, many career
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officials are thinking about this, and leading a process to determine how to prevent this from happening again. we know this is ongoing. european capitals are doing a lot more than we are doing. a couple of other steps he can take, too. he can nominate officials to assistant secretary post notice state department to be points of contact with capitals around the world. he can support sanctions that congress is advocating for, to put on russia. there are specific steps he should take. let's stop focusing on one unnamed official. i don't even know who that is. obviously, no one knows. let's start focusing on what we need to do to keep this from happening again. >> safe to assume, scott, it wasn't jen psaki. do you think the president should also call out mitch mcconnell? we heard from jeh johnson and others who said they went to him, tried to get some bipartisan census. mcconnell said the facts weren't
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there. >> well, i was there -- >> hold on, jen. scott? >> senator mcconnell, along with the congressional leadership signed and sent a letter in october, asking state officials to work with the federal government to make sure that no cyber attacks were going to affect the election. he signed the letter to try to put this off on a member of congress when the commander in chief of the united states did nothing about what could be construed as an act of war, to me, is sort of a deflection and attempt to shift blame. i don't accept that attack as valid. >> that criticism could also fit with what the president is doing, blaming the prior administration. jen psaki, what's your take? >> scott, i know you used to work for mcconnell. i was there at the time and he dragged his feet to the point where it came out at a time where it wasn't as helpful as it could have been several weeks later. that's the fact. that's the reality of what happened behind the scenes. in terms of what should happen -- >> let me ask you a question. the letter came out in october.
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would you say that that letter came out before or after president obama actually told the american people what was happening? he didn't make a statement on this until december, when the election was already over and it was too late. >> scott, you've been on the outside. i was on the inside. what was happening on the inside is the intelligence community was coming to a conclusion that rarely happens. it happened with north korea. it happened with russia. i mentioned earlier, we treated it as a cyber attack. what your former boss did was drag his feet on trying to put out in a bipartisan manner a warning to state officials and encouragement to prepare themselves for what was happening. we should take a look now moving forward at the impact of propaganda. there's not a lot we know. that is an area that concerns me and one that i think every governor, every elected official and the current president should really be doubling down on. >> you both agree on that, there's a need to do more. that's clear. we keep learning about the threat that it's real, continuing and will even get
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worse. what can we do about it? we're all waiting to see. we're following a lot of news, including this. this battle over health care matters to you, your kids, the families. let's get after it. >> health care is a very complicated subject. honestly, nobody can be totally happy. >> there's no way in god's earth this bill should be passed. >> they've promised too much. there's no way the republican bill brings down premiums. >> the plan would not allow individuals to fall through the cracks. we would not pull the rug out from anybody. >> there's no way we should be voting on this next week. no way. >> if he had the information, why didn't he do something about it? >> it's not like we had an immediate, clear snapshot of what the russians were up to. it evolved over time. >> for donald trump criticizing obama was a bit like someone receiving stolen property and blaming the police for not


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